Book x of the republic

The story includes an account of the cosmos and the afterlife that greatly influenced religious, philosophical, and scientific thought for many centuries. Ready to call it a night, theyre intercepted by a whole gang of their acquaintances, who eventually convince them to come hang out at polemarchuss house and have a nice, long chat. Glaucon, eager to hear socrates demonstrate that justice is worthy of pursuit as both an end and as a means to an end, offers to play devils advocate and oppose. The republic book x studocu summary library en studocu. Interpretation of platos republic, book x platos republic, book x is a dialogue between socrates and glaucon. It is known as a socratic dialogue and is perhaps one of platos best known works.

The introduction 54k book i 99k book ii 92k book iii 109k book iv 93k book v 112k book vi 95k book vii 92k book viii 92k book ix 76k. The republic book ii summary and analysis gradesaver. Check out our revolutionary sidebyside summary and analysis. Readers here should be sure to coordinate platos remarks on poetry with the commentary in book 3, which constitutes the first phase of the discussion as the discussion unfolds in book 10, it turns out socratess most forceful charge against poetry is it. He reiterates that while he is still content with having banished poetry from their state, he wishes to explain his reasons more thoroughly. He argues that the creations of art are farthest removed from. More specifically, that all poetical imitations are. The republic book x summary and analysis gradesaver. In books iii and x of the republic, plato addresses the problem of poets. In a surprising move, he banishes poets from the city. The republic by plato, part of the internet classics archive. At the same time, we must not ignore the fact that the republic and several of.

Plato on rhetoric and poetry stanford encyclopedia of. The revised oxford translation isbn 9781400835850 ebook. Hes also a trial lawyer, so he has an intimate understanding of evil and deception. One, he said, of which i could not expect easily to convince others. When reading book x of platos republic, i am repeatedly reminded of the arguments that fiscal governments use against the arts. The republic book x great books of the western world. Free kindle book and epub digitized and proofread by project gutenberg. However, formatting rules can vary widely between applications and fields of interest or study. Why doesnt plato consider a work of art a poem, or a painting, for example to be a thing in its own right, with its own true nature, and not an imitation of something else.

In addition to the annotated text, there is also a rich and valuable essay as. Culture, art and poetry in the republic the core curriculum. The republic summary our story begins as socrates and his friend glaucon head home from a festival. The myth of er is a legend that concludes platos republic 10. He regards poets as not really knowing anything and being imitators.

Res publica was written in 380 bc and this version was translated by benjamin jowett in 1871. Summary and analysis of book 10 of platos republic. It is a fiction book in the format of a discussion between socrates and others. Socrates outlines his reasoning behind the ill effects of artistic endeavors. Book x of the republic, however, under the rubric of mimetic poetry, does banish all of epic, tragic and comic poetry. Also, a discussion of art, poetry, tragedy, and the just life. The internet classics archive the republic by plato. Peoples republic kindle edition by schlichter, kurt. The delineation of socrates in the republic is not wholly consistent. Platos republic questions and answers discover the community of teachers, mentors and students just like you that can answer any question you might have on.

At the beginning of book 10, socrates returns to his frontal assault on the status and role of poetry in the ideal state. They do not produce a true likeness of their topics. Platos pronouncements on the arts in book x have engaged a spirited scholarly. In the dialogue, socrates talks with various athenians and foreigners about the meaning of justice and whether the just man is happier than the unjust man. Section iii summary socrates announces now in the dialogue that he has demonstrated the superiority of the just life as a life to be lived, whether it include external rewards or not. In the first book we have more of the real socrates, such as he is depicted in the memorabilia of xenophon, in the earliest dialogues of plato, and in the apology. Age isnt easy for a good man if hes poor, nor will a bad man ever be cheerful with himself even if hes rich. He begins to prove this by saying that normally, a person would give a unique form to each group of things. Earlier in the dialogue, socrates suggested that certain kinds of music and poetry should not be permitted in the curriculum of study for the future rulers of the state because some art did not seem to be morally uplifting, hence perhaps bad for children. The final book of platos republic begins with socrates returning to the question of banishing the poets that was first addressed in book iii.

Artists seem to create things, but they really only create poor copies of the ideas. Since we know that selected passages from epic and tragedy are used in education, platos proscription must amount to the elimination of all the great dramatic festivals of ancient athens, around which much of the citys life. People that read poetry believe that poets have all the knowledge on whatever topic they are writing about, but in reality, socrates argues that they do not. They do not produce commodities, but rather waste the time of those who indulge in their creation and enjoyment. In simplified terms, he believed that abstract ideas and truths exist in a place beyond the material objects of the world. Socrates has now completed the main argument of the republic. The definitive translation of platos republic, the most influential text in the history of western philosophylong regarded as the most accurate rendering of platos republic that has yet been published, this widely acclaimed translation by allan bloom was the first to take a strictly literal approach. Litcharts assigns a color and icon to each theme in the republic, which you can use to track the themes throughout the work. Book x socrates glaucon of he many excellences which i perceive in the order of our state, there is none which upon reflection pleases me better than the rule about poetry. Socrates initiates the conclusion of the dialogue by announcing that the rewards of justice are granted to. Presented in the form of a dialogue between socrates and three diff. Our story begins as socrates and his friend glaucon head home from a festival.

To the rejection of imitative poetry, which certainly ought not to be received. Learn vocabulary, terms, and more with flashcards, games, and other study tools. The republic study guide contains a biography of plato, literature essays, a complete etext, quiz questions, major themes, characters, and a. Is part of book title complete works of aristotle, volume 2. Why does plato believe that art poetical imitations is ruinous to the understanding. He deduces that they are imitators of the world, and therefore far from the truth. It is platos bestknown work, and has proven to be one of the worlds most influential works of philosophy and political theory, both intellectually and historically. Having sorted out the classes in the soul, socrates now states that imitation must not be allowed in the city. The myth of er from platos republic tells the story of a soldier, er, who is thought to be dead and descends to the underworld. He has three reasons for regarding the poets as unwholesome and dangerous. Learn exactly what happened in this chapter, scene, or section of the republic and what it means. It aims to debate and conclusively determine the meaning of justice. Pamela kobeszko the republic of plato book x week 7 in book x of the republic, socrates is reflecting on poetry and imitation. An artist who paints a picture of a bed only makes a copy of a copy of the idea or form of a bed.

The republic has been divided into the following sections. Polemarchus asks socrates to explain what he meant when he said that wives and children, like the possessions of friends, should be held in common. The final book of the republic begins with socrates return to an earlier theme, that of imitative poetry. It keeps him from having to leave life in the fear of owing debts to men or. In book ii the critique of poetry focused on mimesis understood as representation. Course hero literature instructor russell jaffe provides an indepth summary and analysis of book 10 of platos philosophical text the republic. In the tenth book of the republic he says that, whereas the artificer in making any material object imitates the eternal idea, an artist only imitates the imitation 595 a598 d. Platos republic, book x despite the love and respect he has for homer, socrates resumes his talk concerning the prohibition of certain types of poetry, for no one is to be honored or valued more than the truth.